a Real Brain Smoker

vinny0922 · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: a Real Brain Smoker

here's a real brain smoker. What is Reality?

I R Speshul · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:55 am Post subject:

There, you've gotten rid of you're "Observed" status. Congrats.

Reality is all that which corresponds to fact. Therefore, that which is true is reality, and that which is real is truth. Dreams, for example, are not reality because they are not based in fact. My computer, on the other hand, is.
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vinny0922 · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: Reality

Thanks for the kind words. don't you think that the hindu version of waking,dreaming sleep and dreamless sleep comprise reality ? i think reality ultimately transcends our consciousness,but not our being.sometimes that is the only way i keep my sanity is telling myself there is more to all this than meets the eye.

Lady Eldorath · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:23 am Post subject:

I've always preferred to view it as the "actuality" versus "reality".
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vinny0922 · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: Reality

Do you view the Actuality as opposite from what we experience as reality?

Lady Eldorath · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:32 am Post subject:

Yes.
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vinny0922 · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:36 am Post subject: Reality

i'd say i have to agree with you on that.i think objective reality is truly like an iceberg ,with more under the sea of consciousness than above.

Horror_Writer · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:12 am Post subject:

Isn't perception reality?

How can truth be reality, as it can be subjective based on one's point of view / perception?

Dreams are reality in so much that they are an experience we partook in--whether the environmental aspect was "real" or not. Dreams usually produce an emotion (commonly fear, anxiety, peace, etc.). That emotion is Real.
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vinny0922 · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: Reality

don't you think that reality can transcend what we can perceive?

I R Speshul · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:23 am Post subject:

Horror Writer, I think it may be a bit audacious to say that truth is subjective. I am breathing air right now, that is truth, that is fact; therefore, that is what is real.

And I never said that emotions are not real, but perhaps my examples were too broad. In a world that questions the existence of reality, it is difficult to define what reality is. Imagine the conundrum of explaining what the word 'is' means, without using it. Hence, there are going to be examples and perceived exceptions that need to be clarified. But I still stand by my definition. Truth and reality are heavily correlated. Reality corresponds directly to that which is fact, and what is based in fact is truth.

Vinny, if you mean what I think you mean, then I wholeheartedly agree with you when you say that there is more to this world than meets the eye. Which is why reality is not only limited to the human ability to perceive, as what we can see, hear, and feel is only a portion of what is real in this world.

But, then again, I must ask what you mean when you refer to the 'iceberg.' Are you insisting that what we think or imagine, or perhaps even dream, can be, or can at least become, reality? If you are, I must object.
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vinny0922 · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: Reality

I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the questioning of reality . to you dreams are not reality ,but like the Buddha , what really has any kind of reality to it? Our consciousness can't go through 24 hours without fading into nothingnes in dreamless sleep,but we all like to think of that as the true basis of reality.i'll admit ,the only reason i threw this one out there is because i knew i would get a lively response to this subject.it's kind of like the chicken and egg question,which came first?God created everything, who created God? same line of Shite

Lady Eldorath · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:44 am Post subject:

It's a topic I've discussed at length with Awen (my husband) on millions of occasions, and it was from him I learned about the teachings of actuality, taught by the yogis. However, I do agree that there is more to life, but some of this topic on reality has to do wtih my own personal experience. It's something I think is key to aestheteka. It's our own personal experiences that truly lead us and when we shatter those-we find the actuality. (Of course this is probably a very oversimplified statement, but it's a way I view it).
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I R Speshul · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:46 am Post subject:

You need to think of this in a bigger picture, Vinny. Just because you are sleeping, even if a 'dreamless sleep,' there are still those who are aware and alive, living and seeing reality.

But, like I said, human perception is not all there is to reality. Humans could cease to exist, sentience be wiped off the face of the universe, and reality would still be real, but with a lot less people to watch it.

Quite frankly, I think the whole question is bunk. If you're going to ask the question for the sake of asking, so be it, but if you legitimately believe that reality might not actually be 'real,' then you might be facing more mental issues than the fact you think you're living in the Matrix.
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vinny0922 · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: Reality

i just think it's great that people with like interests that can still be so different can converse about serious issues that define us as humans, and have a fun time with it at the same time.nobody's right ,nobody's wrong,everyone's a winner!

Lady Eldorath · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject:

Damn Matrix anyway. shoot

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